tex live 5

TUG Office office@tug.org
Wed, 17 May 2000 15:08:13 -0700


	At 10:50 AM 5/17/00 +0100, you wrote:
	>Can you bring us up to date on plans for pressing TeX Live 5? 

I have gotten two quotes so far, both of which include:
				
				6500 ea. CD-ROM duplication
				6500 ea. packaging
				2-color art work

				On-Line Copy Corp - $4,630
				(.71/CD)

				Logic General - $5,285
				(.81/CD)

	>have the LUGs been contacted yet?

No, the letter has not been sent.  I did send an email inquiry last week
(same one I sent to you) to:

Dante - says they are thinking about production done in Europe due to
dollar exchange rate
(they ordered 2000 CD's last year)
Apostolos Syropoulos - says he will order 50
Kaja - not going to order xtra copies this year
Kaveh Bazargan - no response
GUTenberg - no response
Richard Kinch - no response
Jonathan Fine - no response
Peter Abbott - no response
Ondrej Vacha - no response
M. Gelderman - by snail mail
Mikkel Damsgaard - by snail mail

I realize I am missing many LUG's but as I wrote, initially I thought I'd
query by invoices in last years TL4 file.  6500 may be too high..... (that
number was ordered last year and we have about 500 left, however, we have
200+ new members w/ 4-6 new members per week, so barring other significant
changes, I thought that number was a pretty good one...but with Dante
possibly not ordering from TUG, and perhaps others, I dunno)

	>They are getting a bit importunate....

I know what you mean.  I receive many inquiries daily asking "Where's the CD"?

The next step is to send a letter to the LUG's (a month ago?)
This is what I have (per you, Karl w/ some editing).
Please let me know when these are ready to send...if something has changed
(other than costs w/ shipping, which I have included) I need help including
that info.
Thanks.
Robin

Btw do you want to refer to the CD as TeX Live 5 or TeX Live 5c?

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From: tex-live@tug.org (TeX Live 5)
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Subject: TeX Live 5 available for ordering

TeX Live 5 is almost ready!  It has a runnable system for major Unix
variants (SGI, Sun, IBM, Compaq, HP), Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows 32
(Windows NT, 95, 98, 2000) systems.  It also has an archive of emTeX
(for Windows 3.1 or OS/2 users), but no Macintosh version (due to
licensing restrictions). Gnu Ghostscript 5.50 and Gnu Emacs are
included, along with many other useful utilities.

The TeX Users Group has arranged with Sebastian Rahtz, the editor of the
TeX Live CD-ROM, to act as the distributor of TeX Live 5, the 2000
release of TeX Live.  In doing so, TUG aims to support Sebastian's
heroic efforts in creating this CD and to provide it at nominal cost to
TeX users worldwide.

First, about copying conditions.  TUG's intention in the terms for
further redistribution of the TeX Live CD-ROM is to give the donors of
the software contained therein the assurance that the licensing
requirements they have made are properly observed.

Because these requirements vary so much between different packages on
the CD, TUG strongly recommends that you simply pass the CD on to your
members as a benefit of membership and allow TUG to handle requests for
further redistribution of the CD.  TUG will be distributing TeX Live to
its own members as a benefit of membership in TUG.

Some of the software requires that, if it is packaged with other
publications, such as books or journals, those things be freely
copyable.  A model for this is TUGboat; please see the sample notice
below.  This is relevant if you plan on distributing the CD with your
newsletter or journal.

Anyone interested in including the CD with a non-redistributable
offering of any kind should contact TUG directly.  This is not allowed
by default!  Likewise, charging anything more than a nominal fee (to
recover costs) is also not allowed by default -- and it is far better to
charge nothing at all for the CD itself, but to provide it as a free
benefit of membership, as TUG does.  (These conditions, like the others,
are set by some of the software on the CD, not by TUG.)

There will be a file on the CD that explains the copying conditions
further, as well as an announcement in TUGboat, on tug's web site, etc.
If you have concerns in distributing the TeX Live CD to your members,
please contact us right away at tex-live@tug.org.

Second, production details: expected manufacturing date of TL5 is June/July
2000.  
We expect to mail the CD to you shortly thereafter.

We expect to be able to offer TeX Live to your user group at a cost of
US $1.00 per copy, plus the cost of shipping.  This is slightly more than
cost of reproduction; that extra cost will go towards subsidizing the
cost of TeX Live for other user groups in countries with weaker
economies; TUG itself will not benefit.  If this cost presents a burden
for your group, please contact us to acquire the CD at cost.  

We cannot determine exact shipping costs until we know the quantity each
group or individual orders.  Our research indicates that DHL is very
competitive
and specializes in international shipping.  On request, the office will
provide
you with the appropriate bill number so you can track the shipment on the 
appropriate website.

Finally, your response is requested: please respond to tex-live@tug.org
as soon as possible with your desired quantity, even if that quantity is
zero.  Please also inform us if your country requires any special
customs arrangements, if you have a preferred courier service, or other
such shipping arrangements.

TUG may be able to fulfill repeat orders if you run out, but please
don't count on this: order as many as you think you will need for the
entire year.  Unfortunately we can't afford to hold a large stock in reserve.

Thanks, and happy TeX'ing,
tex-live@tug.org


Here is the sample copying permission notice, adapted from the one in
TUGboat, referred to above:

  Permission is granted to make and distribute verbatim copies of
  this work provided the copyright notice and this permission notice
  are preserved on all copies.

  Permission is granted to copy and distribute modified versions of this
  work under the conditions for verbatim copying, provided that the entire
  resulting derived work is distributed under the terms of a permission
  notice identical to this one.

  Permission is granted to copy and distribute translations of this work
  into another language, under the above conditions for modified versions,
  except that this permission notice may be stated in a translation approved
  by the TeX Users Group instead of in the original English.

  Copyright to individual items is retained by the authors.


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 TUG can offer TeX Live to your user group at a cost of US$0.58 per copy,
 and will absorb the shipping cost.  If this price is infeasible for your
 group, please contact us to work out an arrangement.  

 Thanks, and happy TeX'ing,
 tex-live@tug.org

-----

 We expect to be able to offer TeX Live to your user group at a cost of
 US $1.00 per copy, plus the cost of shipping.  This is slightly more than
 cost of reproduction; that extra cost will go towards subsidizing the
 cost of TeX Live for other user groups in countries with weaker
 economies; TUG itself will not benefit.  If this cost presents a burden
 for your group, please contact us to acquire the CD at cost.  

 We cannot determine exact shipping costs until we know the quantity each
 group or individual orders.  Our research indicates that DHL is very
competitive
 and specializes in international shipping.  On request, the office will
provide
 you with the appropriate bill number so you can track the shipment on the 
 appropriate website.

 Thanks, and happy TeX'ing,
 tex-live@tug.org