[XeTeX] Res: Res: Res: Minion Pro and Japanese text

Mon May 5 15:34:27 CEST 2008

I believe this clause about Acrobat Reader-only (PDF reader) use does not apply to XeTeX (PDF generator) - otherwise, it would be impossible to embed the fonts.

As you said below, it's not feasible to enforce a clause that restricts the PDF reader the users are allowed to adopt. I understand that Acrobat Reader is able to use the font to display Japanese text even without it being installed on the OS or embedded in the PDF file, so the clause should restrict the implementation/configuration of this same feature (using these font files) on other readers.

As the license allows for usage even on "customary internal business", it's safe for most non-commercial applications.

Flavio Costa

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Wilfred van Rooijen <wvanrooijen at yahoo.com>
Para: Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms <xetex at tug.org>
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 5 de Maio de 2008 9:30:04
Assunto: Re: [XeTeX] Res: Res: Minion Pro and Japanese text

An interesting question. Note that my xelatex prints
out a warning:

** NOTICE: This document contains a `Preview & Print
only' licensed font **

which message, BTW, also shows up when using Latin
Modern :-)). 

The point of using Kozuka exclusively with Adobe
Acrobat and/or Reader is interesting. Does this mean
that if someone makes a PDF document, embeds the
Kozuka fonts, and I use evince to view this PDF, that
that would not be allowed? I hardly believe this to be
true (but then again, I'm European :-))  ). 

I guess it is OK to use the Kozuka 'on the small
scale', i.e. to make small things for personal use,
stuff like that. Publishing a book with these fonts is
probably not a good idea.

Then again, when in doubt, you're free to use any
other font you can find. I found a number of free
fonts of 'reasonable quality' for Japanese for use
with xelatex. If you consider the Kozuka fonts to be
too restricitve, or feel uncomfortable with them, I'd
simply use another font.

Regards,
Wilfred van Rooijen

--- Atsuhito Kohda <kohda at pm.tokushima-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 May 20
balla
> wrote:
> 
> > Am 05.05.2008 um 10:24 schrieb Atsuhito Kohda:
> > 
> > > Is there any commonly known evidence that these
> fonts are
> > > free enough so we can freely use them with
> XeTeX?
> > 
> > Their license says in short it's allowed to use
> them for preview and  
> > it's allowed to embed them in a document. Details
> can be obtained  
> > from
> http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/legal/index.html.
> > 
> > It's probably not allowed to distribute and to
> alter them or make  
> > money with them.
> 
> Thanks for your clarification.  To avoid
> misunderstanding
> I cited the clause relevant to the issue;
> 
> 14.7.1 You may use the font software with the
> Software on Computers 
>        as described in Section 2 and output the font
> software to any 
>        output device(s) connected to such
> Computer(s).
> 
> 14.7.4 You may convert and install the font software
> into another 
>        format for use in other environments, subject
> to the following 
>        conditions: A computer on which the converted
> font software is 
>        used or installed will be considered as one
> of your Permitted 
>        Number of Computers. Use of the font software
> you have converted 
>        will be pursuant to all the terms and
> conditions of this agreement. 
>        Such converted font software may be used only
> for your own customary 
>        internal business or personal use and may not
> be distributed or 
>        transferred for any purpose, except in
> accordance with Section 4.4 
>        of this agreement.
> 
> 14.7.5 You may embed copies of the font software
> into your electronic 
>        documents for the purpose of printing and
> viewing the document. 
>        If the font software you are embedding is
> identified as "licensed 
>        for editable embedding" on Adobeâ€™s website
> at 
>      
>
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/legal/embeddingeula.html,
> you may 
>        also embed copies of that font software for
> the additional purpose 
>        of editing your electronic d
   implied or permitted under this license.
> 
> It looks they permit the fonts to be used with
> XeTeX.
> However I find the following statements in
> LICREAD.TXT
> of FontPack81_jpn_i486-linux.tar.gz 
> 
>    The font software contained in this package is
> being licensed to you solely
>    for use with the Adobe Reader product ("Adobe
> Reader") subject to
>    the terms and conditions of the Electronic End
> User License Agreement
>    accompanying the Adobe Reader.
> 
> especially, "solely for use with the Adobe Reader
> product 
> ("Adobe Reader")" looks very restrictive to me.
> 
> I don't intend to say they are unusable with XeTeX
> but 
> want to ensure that we can use them with XeTeX
> safely.
> 
> Thanks in advance,               2008-5-5(Mon)
> 
> -- 
>  Debian Developer - much more I18N of Debian
>  Atsuhito Kohda <kohda AT debian.org>
>  Department of Math., Univ. of Tokushima
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