[XeTeX] fancyhdr and plyglossia

[Jens Bakker]

Dear Ross and Dear Vafa,

Thanks a lot for your efforts. The solution that you offered, Ross,  
works very well, thank you very much.

With best regards and best wishes,
Jens Bakker



Am 31.01.2010 um 20:47 schrieb Ross Moore:

> Hi Vafa,
>
> On 31/01/2010, at 4:59 PM, Vafa Khalighi wrote:
>
>> Hi Ross and Jens
>>
>> I do not think that this is a bug of bidi and I am going to explain  
>> why this is so.
>>
>> First Please have a look at attached tex file and its PDF output.  
>> The attached PDF shows the contents of all \marginpar commands. And  
>> I only had to make the left and right margin the same by using  
>> \usepackage[left=5cm,right=5cm]{geometry}. So this tell me that  
>> this has to do something with setting margins. Notice that when we  
>> are typesetting LTR, we are writing from left to right and the  
>> content of \marginpar appears on the right hand side and the  
>> content of \reversemarginpar appears on the left hand side. The RTL  
>> is absolutely should be opposite of this (which it is). Now in the  
>> original tex file that you sent, margins are the same, I mean the  
>> left and right margins are the same on , say, even pages  
>> independent of RTL typesetting or LTR typesetting. So I think this  
>> is natural. If you do not believe me, In the LTR part of your tex  
>> file, change all \marginpar  to \reversemarginpar and see that  
>> exactly the same thing that happened for \marginpar for RTL  
>> typesetting in even pages, happens this time for LTR texts.
>
> There are 2 issues here: the side on which the marginal note is  
> placed,
> as well as the directionality of its contents.
>
> Now for positioning, using \reversemarginpar  at the
> beginning of the environment indeed switches sides.
> However one wonders why there should be a need for this.
> With the [twoside] option, the  \marginpar  should (by default)
> be placing the marginal note within the wider margin, not the
> narrower one, as is currently happening.
>
>
> Now marginal notes are usually used by scholars or editors,
> making comments or giving references about other material.
> By default LaTeX supports L to R marginal notes;
> e.g., for Western scholars commenting on Western texts.
>
> You are right in that bidi should support, by default, R to L
> content in margin-pars; e.g. for Arabic/Persian scholars commenting
> on Arabic & Persian texts.
>
> However, bidi is clearly to support bi-directionality.
> So it should also be making it easy for Arabic scholars to make
> comments on Western texts, as well as Western scholars commenting
> on Arabic/Persian texts.
>
> That is, there should be methods within multilingual documents,
> to have the directionality of margin-pars being the reverse of
> that within the main body of the text.
> Instead of supporting just one extra stylistic layout, there are
> now a total of 2^2 = 4 possibilities, and the 3 new ones *all*
> require adequate support.
>
>
> To be more specific, to get the margin-pars correct in Jens'
> document requires 3 things, as in the following:
>
> \begin{Arabic}\large
> \reversemarginpar    %   else uses wrong margin
>  ... arabic content ...
> \marginpar{\LR{on p.3 \hfill}}%  for LtoR comments
>
>  ...
> \end{Arabic}
>
> What would be nice is to give an option to the {Arabic}
> environment that would:
>  a.  execute  \reversemarginpar
>  b.  apply the \LR to marginpar content
>  c.  remove the need for the \hfill at the end .
>
>
> Even more specifically, with multi-line content --- this works:
>
> \textbf{\small [ص ٣]}
> \marginpar{\LR{on p.3 on p.3 on p.3\\ on p.3\\ on p.3 on p.3 on p.3  
> on p.3 on p.3 on p.3 on p.3 \hfill}}
> الخفض نحو من الله، وعلامة الفعل قد نحو  
> قد قام زيد وقد يقوم والسين نحو سيقوم  
> وتاء التأنيث الساكنة نحو قامت وياء  
> المخاطبة مع الطلب نحو قومي، وعلامة  
> الحرف أن لا يقبل شيء من ذلك.
>
>
> but this does not quite do it:
>
> \textbf{\small [ص ٣]}
> \marginpar{\LR{on p.3 on p.3 on p.3\\ on p.3\\ on p.3 on p.3 on p.3  
> on p.3 on p.3 on p.3 on p.3 }}
> الخفض نحو من الله، وعلامة الفعل قد نحو  
> قد قام زيد وقد يقوم والسين نحو سيقوم  
> وتاء التأنيث الساكنة نحو قامت وياء  
> المخاطبة مع الطلب نحو قومي، وعلامة  
> الحرف أن لا يقبل شيء من ذلك.
>
>
> nor does:  (see image)
>
> \textbf{\small [ص ٣]}
> \marginpar{\LR{on p.3 on p.3 on p.3\par on p.3\par on p.3 on p.3 on  
> p.3 on p.3 on p.3 on p.3 on p.3\par}}
> الخفض نحو من الله، وعلامة الفعل قد نحو  
> قد قام زيد وقد يقوم والسين نحو سيقوم  
> وتاء التأنيث الساكنة نحو قامت وياء  
> المخاطبة مع الطلب نحو قومي، وعلامة  
> الحرف أن لا يقبل شيء من ذلك.
>
>
> <texshop_image.jpeg>
>
>>
>> So I concluded that this is not a bug of bidi. Another solution  
>> would be to use \marginpar for LTR texts but \reversemarginpar for  
>> RTL texts.
>
> In terms of defaults, no it is not a bug, and I never intended
> to suggest this. Rather, there needs to be extra functionality
> to properly support multi-lingual documents which contain material
> set with both RtoL and LtoR directionalities.
>
>
> Consider the $n^2$ growth of combinations required if vertical
> typesetting (in all 4 variations of this) were to be supported also!
> $n = 6$ to do them all.
>
>>
>> If you also remove twoside option from \documentclass, things will  
>> be ok.
>
> This is not really a satisfactory way to handle the issue.
>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Best wishes,
>> Vafa Khalighi
>
>
> All the best,
>
> 	Ross
>
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